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	<title>Comments on: The Genuine Chögyam Trungpa</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Szpakowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Szpakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh! Dear Tara, I think there&#039;s some goodness here, and some nuggets, but this is getting past any latitude in how to conduct oneself. No more comments on this thread!</description>
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		<title>By: Tara Lyn Carreon</title>
		<link>http://radiofreeshambhala.org/2009/03/genuine-ctr/comment-page-6/#comment-3095</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara Lyn Carreon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward:
I&#039;m still working on the transcript of Timothy Speed-Levitch.  When I&#039;m done we can talk about it.  Here&#039;s where I&#039;m at right now.

The anti-Cruise is an attempt to imprison us at every level of living that exists.  [Sigh]  Younger Cruisers have asked me, &quot;Why, why is the anti-Cruise so avaricious and constant in its attempt to stop the Cruise?&quot;  And I have no answer!  There is no answer.  I mean, it&#039;s gravitational.  It&#039;s a relationship that&#039;s made up of reciprocals and of pulling gravities.  It simply exists.  Where there is Cruise, there is an escort of anti-Cruise.  But even in a complete bastion of anti-Cruise fodder, which this entire square block is, there is Cruise.  Somewhere in there is a sparkle of Cruising energy, deeply sublimated within the bellowing belly of the beast.

Survivor!  He knows no prison.  They are all over the prison floor, but you never saw them looking melancholy.  They kept Cruising.  No imprisonment for the cockroach.  Life impending drastic survivor through the millenias, through the eruptions of time, past the dinosaurs, witnessing the flight of birds for the first time.  Clouds dying, asteroids hitting the earth.  No prison for the cockroach.  I have such respect for those bastards.  

But I was not so fortunate.  But, you know, I was Cruising hard at that time.  So when you think about it, the anti-Cruise breathing down my neck could not allow me even physical mobility.  And according to them, I was running from the cops for a month before they caught up to me.  I was not even aware that I was running from the cops as much as I was aware that I was running from the anti-Cruise.  And I felt like a fugitive.  But you know what?  Every day I feel like a fugitive.  It never occurred to them that I&#039;m running from the anti-Cruise every day.  And when I was up in front of the Judge for my arraignment, the judge said, &quot;My biggest problem with this case is that this guy, this current person that we&#039;re judging, ran from the police for a month.&quot;  And if I could have spoken, of course, I wasn&#039;t allowed to speak, I would have said, &quot;It&#039;s been a lot more than a month!  I&#039;ve been running from you people all my life.  All my life!  And I&#039;m going to keep running!&quot;

And there&#039;s so many prisoners, inmates.  There&#039;s so many people to be judged.  They don&#039;t even have time to consider you as a human being.  You&#039;re filed through as an assembly line.  And in some ways it made me think of the fact that in terms of molecular biology we have the same infrastructure as plants.  So this entire notion of individuality is a delusion anyway.  It&#039;s a direful delusion.  There is no real individuality except for that which we project.  But sitting in the cell block I realized that the pursuit of that so-called individuality is everything I believe in.  The fullest pursuit of those possibilities of that quote, unquote &quot;Individuality,&quot; even if it is an absolute failure, is the most beautiful failure I can think of.  I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s a delusion.  I don&#039;t care if we have the same infrastructure as plants.  I want to be the plant that grows the highest.  I want to be the beanstalk.  I want to be the flower that smells the most profusely, that veers most drastically towards the sunlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward:<br />
I&#8217;m still working on the transcript of Timothy Speed-Levitch.  When I&#8217;m done we can talk about it.  Here&#8217;s where I&#8217;m at right now.</p>
<p>The anti-Cruise is an attempt to imprison us at every level of living that exists.  [Sigh]  Younger Cruisers have asked me, &#8220;Why, why is the anti-Cruise so avaricious and constant in its attempt to stop the Cruise?&#8221;  And I have no answer!  There is no answer.  I mean, it&#8217;s gravitational.  It&#8217;s a relationship that&#8217;s made up of reciprocals and of pulling gravities.  It simply exists.  Where there is Cruise, there is an escort of anti-Cruise.  But even in a complete bastion of anti-Cruise fodder, which this entire square block is, there is Cruise.  Somewhere in there is a sparkle of Cruising energy, deeply sublimated within the bellowing belly of the beast.</p>
<p>Survivor!  He knows no prison.  They are all over the prison floor, but you never saw them looking melancholy.  They kept Cruising.  No imprisonment for the cockroach.  Life impending drastic survivor through the millenias, through the eruptions of time, past the dinosaurs, witnessing the flight of birds for the first time.  Clouds dying, asteroids hitting the earth.  No prison for the cockroach.  I have such respect for those bastards.  </p>
<p>But I was not so fortunate.  But, you know, I was Cruising hard at that time.  So when you think about it, the anti-Cruise breathing down my neck could not allow me even physical mobility.  And according to them, I was running from the cops for a month before they caught up to me.  I was not even aware that I was running from the cops as much as I was aware that I was running from the anti-Cruise.  And I felt like a fugitive.  But you know what?  Every day I feel like a fugitive.  It never occurred to them that I&#8217;m running from the anti-Cruise every day.  And when I was up in front of the Judge for my arraignment, the judge said, &#8220;My biggest problem with this case is that this guy, this current person that we&#8217;re judging, ran from the police for a month.&#8221;  And if I could have spoken, of course, I wasn&#8217;t allowed to speak, I would have said, &#8220;It&#8217;s been a lot more than a month!  I&#8217;ve been running from you people all my life.  All my life!  And I&#8217;m going to keep running!&#8221;</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s so many prisoners, inmates.  There&#8217;s so many people to be judged.  They don&#8217;t even have time to consider you as a human being.  You&#8217;re filed through as an assembly line.  And in some ways it made me think of the fact that in terms of molecular biology we have the same infrastructure as plants.  So this entire notion of individuality is a delusion anyway.  It&#8217;s a direful delusion.  There is no real individuality except for that which we project.  But sitting in the cell block I realized that the pursuit of that so-called individuality is everything I believe in.  The fullest pursuit of those possibilities of that quote, unquote &#8220;Individuality,&#8221; even if it is an absolute failure, is the most beautiful failure I can think of.  I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s a delusion.  I don&#8217;t care if we have the same infrastructure as plants.  I want to be the plant that grows the highest.  I want to be the beanstalk.  I want to be the flower that smells the most profusely, that veers most drastically towards the sunlight.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara Lyn Carreon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara Lyn Carreon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, you&#039;re so punitive!  You&#039;re like one of those horrible persons who call the police on their family members.  That happened to me, once.  I was visiting my father who was on his deathbed in my Aunt Elsie&#039;s kitchen.  The only reason he was on his deathbed was because she decided not to feed him anymore because she decided it was time for him to die.  I&#039;m trying to have a tearful conversation with my dad, who is as bright and cheery and strong as ever, totally compliant in dying since Aunt Elsie said so, and she was hearing every word I said.  So finally I got fed up, and asked her if she would please leave the kitchen so I could be with my father alone.  Oh, no!  She wasn&#039;t going to do that!  What an outrage!  This was HER kitchen!  This was HER house!  (Paid for with my father&#039;s money for the last 30 years, she being appointed his conservator after his car accident and subsequent brain damage).  Then -- naturally -- I got into an argument with her, which ended with my telling her that I would NOT be coming to HER funeral!  At which point she picked up the phone and called the police.  As my sister hurried me into her black jaguar, I told her &quot;Fuc_ you, you bitc_!&quot;

After that I was determined to save my father&#039;s life.  All it took was a bunch of expensive lawyering!  I took every penny away from that greedy woman.  She hadn&#039;t given his three kids hardly a dime our entire lives.  She kept it all, saving it for us, she said.  But she was keeping it all.  Of course, she said, we did it for the money!  Like a daughter doesn&#039;t love her father!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad, you&#8217;re so punitive!  You&#8217;re like one of those horrible persons who call the police on their family members.  That happened to me, once.  I was visiting my father who was on his deathbed in my Aunt Elsie&#8217;s kitchen.  The only reason he was on his deathbed was because she decided not to feed him anymore because she decided it was time for him to die.  I&#8217;m trying to have a tearful conversation with my dad, who is as bright and cheery and strong as ever, totally compliant in dying since Aunt Elsie said so, and she was hearing every word I said.  So finally I got fed up, and asked her if she would please leave the kitchen so I could be with my father alone.  Oh, no!  She wasn&#8217;t going to do that!  What an outrage!  This was HER kitchen!  This was HER house!  (Paid for with my father&#8217;s money for the last 30 years, she being appointed his conservator after his car accident and subsequent brain damage).  Then &#8212; naturally &#8212; I got into an argument with her, which ended with my telling her that I would NOT be coming to HER funeral!  At which point she picked up the phone and called the police.  As my sister hurried me into her black jaguar, I told her &#8220;Fuc_ you, you bitc_!&#8221;</p>
<p>After that I was determined to save my father&#8217;s life.  All it took was a bunch of expensive lawyering!  I took every penny away from that greedy woman.  She hadn&#8217;t given his three kids hardly a dime our entire lives.  She kept it all, saving it for us, she said.  But she was keeping it all.  Of course, she said, we did it for the money!  Like a daughter doesn&#8217;t love her father!</p>
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		<title>By: John Tischer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Tischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara,

What a drama bunny!  Actually, I find it quite entertaining...thank you for all your posts! And I hope it all works out there for you OK....</description>
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<p>What a drama bunny!  Actually, I find it quite entertaining&#8230;thank you for all your posts! And I hope it all works out there for you OK&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Course correct!!!  Please!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Tara Lyn Carreon</title>
		<link>http://radiofreeshambhala.org/2009/03/genuine-ctr/comment-page-6/#comment-3072</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara Lyn Carreon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward:
I&#039;m having a ball transcribing &quot;The Cruise,&quot; with Timothy Speed Levitch.  Thank you for the comparison to this beautiful hunk of a man!  I&#039;m totally in love!  I just finished this part:

To all my enemies that add flavor to my life, why don&#039;t you come up here to the Brooklyn Bridge so we can talk about it?  Why don&#039;t you come up here and talk to me about it?  

To Leslie Lindenstraus, &quot;Look, if you want to try and choke me when I&#039;m like prebuscent and really much smaller than you, that&#039;s fine.  I mean, I know that&#039;s how we all really feel about each other, and I know that that&#039;s what it&#039;s really all about, but I&#039;m going to find you and kick your ass &#039;cause I&#039;m not seven, and I&#039;m not prebuscent anymore.  I don&#039;t know where you are, but I remember that day.&quot; 

To Jordan, &quot;Look, bananas may be something that you and your friend can eat without me, alright?  I mean, yes, I wanted a banana, and yes, you left me out, but that&#039;s okay, because I mean there are other bananas.  I think I&#039;ve proved that to you by now.&quot;

To Tierta, &quot;There was about two hours of my entire life thus far on earth when I was absolutely dependent upon you.  And those were a couple of the worst hours of my life.&quot;

To Charles Purpura, &quot;I know you never read my screenplay.&quot;

And to Leslie Lee, &quot;I know you didn&#039;t read that full-length play.  I worked on it, I sweated on it, I turmoiled over it, I malaised through it, I lived above it, under it, because of it, not because of it, I hated it, I loved it, I died, and I re-lived, and I was reborn within the room as I worked on that play.  And I know you did not read it.
To Swayne, who supposedly was going to read that script I gave him, &quot;And you know what?  Fuck the script.  You are forever known as the tour guide who got hit by a traffic light.  And I think that&#039;s the proper epithet for you.  And how dare you do a Tina Howe play in the middle of June in New York City as if I have time to sit there and listen to that trash when there&#039;s schticking and Cruising to be done.  You obviously lead an infant-testamile existence.

To Josh:  &quot;Your narcissism is mediocre.  Narcissism in some ways is inevitable.  I mean, since we&#039;re all living in the same body for this mortality, it&#039;s almost inevitable that we will be self-absorbed at some point.  But why is it that so many people have a narcissism -- as yourself -- that leads to mediocrity and nothing else?&quot;

To Jan and Michelle:  &quot;That was supposed to be an orgy.  I don&#039;t know how it came down to a double date with me as a fifth wheel.  That sucks!  I mean, I&#039;ve never been in a situation where I&#039;ve been so severely dissed.  I mean, an orgy is when everybody participates, not four out of five in the room.&quot;

To Real:  &quot;I am not going to go to some single Jewish party because I&#039;m a dissheveled wreck of a schticker.  To try and meet some Long Island Jewess and land on a front yard, and a house with two cars, and children who bow at my name through their own salivary glands.  That may be your approximate goal, but that is not mine.  I am surprised by your unoriginality.  And I am tired of your silly emasculations.  I would prefer to be emasculated by a woman with much more severity and with a little bit more backbone.&quot;

To Mem Levitch, &quot;Why don&#039;t you leave me alone?  I&#039;m trying to lead something of a youthful existence here.  I&#039;m standing here on the Brooklyn Bridge today, talking to the Brooklyn Bridge about the miniscule moments of alienation that I remember so well for the last quarter century, and all you can do is leave messages on my machine, and lecture me about how much you need me up there in Westchester.  What am I supposed to do?  Check the air in your tires?  You never once vaulted out of the golden chair.  You never had the guts, the audacity to stand up and do something with your life!  You could only utilize your own narcissism, and your own self-absorption to always, in an eternal sense, imply to me your child, that I had to save your life.  And this has been a daily crusade since the first moment of my birth.  And when I emanated from your bloody thighs, if I&#039;d known all this, I&#039;m sure I would have crawled back in.  Don&#039;t you know that all the menstruation that happened after that was parts of myself left behind that you were choking to death?  THAT WAS MY BLOOD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward:<br />
I&#8217;m having a ball transcribing &#8220;The Cruise,&#8221; with Timothy Speed Levitch.  Thank you for the comparison to this beautiful hunk of a man!  I&#8217;m totally in love!  I just finished this part:</p>
<p>To all my enemies that add flavor to my life, why don&#8217;t you come up here to the Brooklyn Bridge so we can talk about it?  Why don&#8217;t you come up here and talk to me about it?  </p>
<p>To Leslie Lindenstraus, &#8220;Look, if you want to try and choke me when I&#8217;m like prebuscent and really much smaller than you, that&#8217;s fine.  I mean, I know that&#8217;s how we all really feel about each other, and I know that that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s really all about, but I&#8217;m going to find you and kick your ass &#8217;cause I&#8217;m not seven, and I&#8217;m not prebuscent anymore.  I don&#8217;t know where you are, but I remember that day.&#8221; </p>
<p>To Jordan, &#8220;Look, bananas may be something that you and your friend can eat without me, alright?  I mean, yes, I wanted a banana, and yes, you left me out, but that&#8217;s okay, because I mean there are other bananas.  I think I&#8217;ve proved that to you by now.&#8221;</p>
<p>To Tierta, &#8220;There was about two hours of my entire life thus far on earth when I was absolutely dependent upon you.  And those were a couple of the worst hours of my life.&#8221;</p>
<p>To Charles Purpura, &#8220;I know you never read my screenplay.&#8221;</p>
<p>And to Leslie Lee, &#8220;I know you didn&#8217;t read that full-length play.  I worked on it, I sweated on it, I turmoiled over it, I malaised through it, I lived above it, under it, because of it, not because of it, I hated it, I loved it, I died, and I re-lived, and I was reborn within the room as I worked on that play.  And I know you did not read it.<br />
To Swayne, who supposedly was going to read that script I gave him, &#8220;And you know what?  Fuck the script.  You are forever known as the tour guide who got hit by a traffic light.  And I think that&#8217;s the proper epithet for you.  And how dare you do a Tina Howe play in the middle of June in New York City as if I have time to sit there and listen to that trash when there&#8217;s schticking and Cruising to be done.  You obviously lead an infant-testamile existence.</p>
<p>To Josh:  &#8220;Your narcissism is mediocre.  Narcissism in some ways is inevitable.  I mean, since we&#8217;re all living in the same body for this mortality, it&#8217;s almost inevitable that we will be self-absorbed at some point.  But why is it that so many people have a narcissism &#8212; as yourself &#8212; that leads to mediocrity and nothing else?&#8221;</p>
<p>To Jan and Michelle:  &#8220;That was supposed to be an orgy.  I don&#8217;t know how it came down to a double date with me as a fifth wheel.  That sucks!  I mean, I&#8217;ve never been in a situation where I&#8217;ve been so severely dissed.  I mean, an orgy is when everybody participates, not four out of five in the room.&#8221;</p>
<p>To Real:  &#8220;I am not going to go to some single Jewish party because I&#8217;m a dissheveled wreck of a schticker.  To try and meet some Long Island Jewess and land on a front yard, and a house with two cars, and children who bow at my name through their own salivary glands.  That may be your approximate goal, but that is not mine.  I am surprised by your unoriginality.  And I am tired of your silly emasculations.  I would prefer to be emasculated by a woman with much more severity and with a little bit more backbone.&#8221;</p>
<p>To Mem Levitch, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you leave me alone?  I&#8217;m trying to lead something of a youthful existence here.  I&#8217;m standing here on the Brooklyn Bridge today, talking to the Brooklyn Bridge about the miniscule moments of alienation that I remember so well for the last quarter century, and all you can do is leave messages on my machine, and lecture me about how much you need me up there in Westchester.  What am I supposed to do?  Check the air in your tires?  You never once vaulted out of the golden chair.  You never had the guts, the audacity to stand up and do something with your life!  You could only utilize your own narcissism, and your own self-absorption to always, in an eternal sense, imply to me your child, that I had to save your life.  And this has been a daily crusade since the first moment of my birth.  And when I emanated from your bloody thighs, if I&#8217;d known all this, I&#8217;m sure I would have crawled back in.  Don&#8217;t you know that all the menstruation that happened after that was parts of myself left behind that you were choking to death?  THAT WAS MY BLOOD!</p>
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		<title>By: Tara Lyn Carreon</title>
		<link>http://radiofreeshambhala.org/2009/03/genuine-ctr/comment-page-6/#comment-3071</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara Lyn Carreon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damcho:
I oppose everything Gyatrul Rinpoche does at this point in my life, and think it quite unfortunate that he ever had anything to do with Pednor Rinpoche, or Sangye Khandro, who he twice said was the biggest demon in his life, but when Mark Buckley teased him that Tibetans liked to fu_k animals rather than little boys (which isn&#039;t true), and he said, &quot;That&#039;s better!&quot;, I still agree with him that bestiality is better than homosexuality, a term I ascribe only to men and men.  If homosexual men by and large didn&#039;t hate women for so many millennia, and try to crush us out of existence, I would feel different.  But if you&#039;re trying to put me on the spot for my views, and force me on the homosexual bandwagon, like you&#039;re trying to get the rest of society, I&#039;m not going to do it.  So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damcho:<br />
I oppose everything Gyatrul Rinpoche does at this point in my life, and think it quite unfortunate that he ever had anything to do with Pednor Rinpoche, or Sangye Khandro, who he twice said was the biggest demon in his life, but when Mark Buckley teased him that Tibetans liked to fu_k animals rather than little boys (which isn&#8217;t true), and he said, &#8220;That&#8217;s better!&#8221;, I still agree with him that bestiality is better than homosexuality, a term I ascribe only to men and men.  If homosexual men by and large didn&#8217;t hate women for so many millennia, and try to crush us out of existence, I would feel different.  But if you&#8217;re trying to put me on the spot for my views, and force me on the homosexual bandwagon, like you&#8217;re trying to get the rest of society, I&#8217;m not going to do it.  So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 05:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damcho, I also recall that clarification by the Dalai Lama, he made a couple iirc.  One, as you say, clarifying monastic precepts where even masturbation is prohibited and also, while meeting with gay practitioners, that his response to the original question foisted on him by a reporter relied upon canon,  Longchenpa maybe, or Nagarjuna.  Canon, in any case, that he was unwilling to veer away from.

Who knows why anyone would ask the Dalai Lama for sex advice in the first place....

I recall reading Gyaltrul Rinpoche&#039;s machine gun comment some time ago, I don&#039;t recall if it was in the gay press or Tricycle or what.  Pretty small blip on the seismigraph but definitely weird.  What can be said?  If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck...

Somewhat close to the original topic the new curriculum programs are being unveiled at the San Francisco Shambhala center next month, &quot;Meditation in Everyday Life&quot;.  Level II is still a three day weekend program.

And you know, speaking to the shrine changes everyone has gone thru, SF put their old shrine pictures up in the common room, quite prominently displayed, including a photo of a very dapper Regent.

AND I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a single direction you could face in that center, unless you were face down on the floor, where there wouldn&#039;t be a photo of CTR in your line of sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damcho, I also recall that clarification by the Dalai Lama, he made a couple iirc.  One, as you say, clarifying monastic precepts where even masturbation is prohibited and also, while meeting with gay practitioners, that his response to the original question foisted on him by a reporter relied upon canon,  Longchenpa maybe, or Nagarjuna.  Canon, in any case, that he was unwilling to veer away from.</p>
<p>Who knows why anyone would ask the Dalai Lama for sex advice in the first place&#8230;.</p>
<p>I recall reading Gyaltrul Rinpoche&#8217;s machine gun comment some time ago, I don&#8217;t recall if it was in the gay press or Tricycle or what.  Pretty small blip on the seismigraph but definitely weird.  What can be said?  If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck&#8230;</p>
<p>Somewhat close to the original topic the new curriculum programs are being unveiled at the San Francisco Shambhala center next month, &#8220;Meditation in Everyday Life&#8221;.  Level II is still a three day weekend program.</p>
<p>And you know, speaking to the shrine changes everyone has gone thru, SF put their old shrine pictures up in the common room, quite prominently displayed, including a photo of a very dapper Regent.</p>
<p>AND I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a single direction you could face in that center, unless you were face down on the floor, where there wouldn&#8217;t be a photo of CTR in your line of sight.</p>
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		<title>By: damchö</title>
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		<dc:creator>damchö</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara, I won&#039;t answer in any depth because it would take this thread even further off-topic...  But very briefly, for me yes, there would be something to be made of it.  Two reasons: 1) even if (ie, assuming!) he didn&#039;t mean it, it&#039;s a bizarre thing to say and I can&#039;t see even a remote point to it; and 2) it would surprise me to hear a Tibetan teacher speak in such reified terms.  The Dalai Lama spoke with regard to specific prohibited sex *acts* as per the Gelugpa tradition, which apply to whichever combination of genders are performing them and however a person identifies--or doesn&#039;t identify--him- or herself.  Again, we are far afield from the topic &quot;The Genuine Chogyam Trungpa&quot;!  So I&#039;ll leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara, I won&#8217;t answer in any depth because it would take this thread even further off-topic&#8230;  But very briefly, for me yes, there would be something to be made of it.  Two reasons: 1) even if (ie, assuming!) he didn&#8217;t mean it, it&#8217;s a bizarre thing to say and I can&#8217;t see even a remote point to it; and 2) it would surprise me to hear a Tibetan teacher speak in such reified terms.  The Dalai Lama spoke with regard to specific prohibited sex *acts* as per the Gelugpa tradition, which apply to whichever combination of genders are performing them and however a person identifies&#8211;or doesn&#8217;t identify&#8211;him- or herself.  Again, we are far afield from the topic &#8220;The Genuine Chogyam Trungpa&#8221;!  So I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara Lyn Carreon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara Lyn Carreon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Startracks. Spiral nebulae. Craters of the moon. She lets herself fall. She falls into the room of her wants. The room where the demands of women are endless. Where her voice has endlessly demanded her to go. This room which reveals her. Where she is clumsy again. Where she is awkward in her grown-up clothing. Where she aches. This room of the revelation of all she thought horrible, and of her endlessly demanding body. Of all she shrank from in herself. This room filled with herself. She fell into this room. This room of outcasts. Where we uncover our bodies. Where we meet our outcast selves. The room in which she does not mock herself. This room filled with darkness. Where we go into darkness. Where we embrace darkness. Where we lie close to darkness, breathe when darkness breathes and find darkness inside ourselves. The room of the darkness of women. Where we are not afraid. Where joy is just under the surface. Where we laugh. Where laughter fills us utterly when we see what we thought was horrible. Where our demands are endlessly received. Where revelation fills us with glee. The room which she said she needed. The room without which she was sure she would perish. The first room in which she experienced space. This place where she could finally breathe. The place where she breathed out the stories she had not believed. The room where we confess we never believed those stories were about us. The room where she cast those stories from her forever. Where we began to feel the atmosphere wants us. Where she began to believe the horizon. This room of her wants. Of her desiring. This room of her desiring to live. This place which allows her to exist. Where the women stare into each other&#039;s eyes. Where the daughter feels the life of the mother. Where our words are undressed. And we touch. This room of our touching where the mother teaches her daughter to face her secret feelings.  The labyrinth of her knowledge. Where she has her own reasons. The coral skeleton. The crystals of frost. Of her knowing. This place of her wandering. The circles of the tree&#039;s growth. The beehive. The room of her first wandering and of her finding. This place where she finds her way.
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We heard of this woman who was out of control. We heard that she was led by her feelings. That her emotions were violent. That she was impetuous. That she violated tradition and overrode convention. That certainly her life should not be an example to us. We were told that she moved too hastily. Placed her life in the stream of ideas just born and we should have little regard for her, even despite the brilliance of her words. That she moved from passion. From unconscious feeling, allowing deep and troubled emotions to control her soul. But we say that to her passion, she brought lucidity and to her vision, she gave the substance of her life. For the way her words illuminated her life we say we have great regard. We say we have listened to her voice asking, &quot;of what materials can that heart be composed which can melt when insulted and instead of revolting at injustice, kiss the rod?&quot; 

By her words we are brought to our own lives, and are overwhelmed by our feelings which we had held beneath the surface for so long. And from what is dark and deep within us, we say, tyranny revolts us; we will not kiss the rod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Startracks. Spiral nebulae. Craters of the moon. She lets herself fall. She falls into the room of her wants. The room where the demands of women are endless. Where her voice has endlessly demanded her to go. This room which reveals her. Where she is clumsy again. Where she is awkward in her grown-up clothing. Where she aches. This room of the revelation of all she thought horrible, and of her endlessly demanding body. Of all she shrank from in herself. This room filled with herself. She fell into this room. This room of outcasts. Where we uncover our bodies. Where we meet our outcast selves. The room in which she does not mock herself. This room filled with darkness. Where we go into darkness. Where we embrace darkness. Where we lie close to darkness, breathe when darkness breathes and find darkness inside ourselves. The room of the darkness of women. Where we are not afraid. Where joy is just under the surface. Where we laugh. Where laughter fills us utterly when we see what we thought was horrible. Where our demands are endlessly received. Where revelation fills us with glee. The room which she said she needed. The room without which she was sure she would perish. The first room in which she experienced space. This place where she could finally breathe. The place where she breathed out the stories she had not believed. The room where we confess we never believed those stories were about us. The room where she cast those stories from her forever. Where we began to feel the atmosphere wants us. Where she began to believe the horizon. This room of her wants. Of her desiring. This room of her desiring to live. This place which allows her to exist. Where the women stare into each other&#8217;s eyes. Where the daughter feels the life of the mother. Where our words are undressed. And we touch. This room of our touching where the mother teaches her daughter to face her secret feelings.  The labyrinth of her knowledge. Where she has her own reasons. The coral skeleton. The crystals of frost. Of her knowing. This place of her wandering. The circles of the tree&#8217;s growth. The beehive. The room of her first wandering and of her finding. This place where she finds her way.<br />
***<br />
We heard of this woman who was out of control. We heard that she was led by her feelings. That her emotions were violent. That she was impetuous. That she violated tradition and overrode convention. That certainly her life should not be an example to us. We were told that she moved too hastily. Placed her life in the stream of ideas just born and we should have little regard for her, even despite the brilliance of her words. That she moved from passion. From unconscious feeling, allowing deep and troubled emotions to control her soul. But we say that to her passion, she brought lucidity and to her vision, she gave the substance of her life. For the way her words illuminated her life we say we have great regard. We say we have listened to her voice asking, &#8220;of what materials can that heart be composed which can melt when insulted and instead of revolting at injustice, kiss the rod?&#8221; </p>
<p>By her words we are brought to our own lives, and are overwhelmed by our feelings which we had held beneath the surface for so long. And from what is dark and deep within us, we say, tyranny revolts us; we will not kiss the rod.</p>
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