http://radiofreeshambhala.org/2008/07/namkha-drimed/comment-page-1/#comment-411

http://radiofreeshambhala.org/2009/02/vajra-sangha/comment-page-5/#comment-846

Where is Gesar’s comment? I’ve never seen him post anything on here so please direct me to that thread if you know where it is…
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Big virtual tent?

The wide-mind kind? Sans credentials, as is said?

Spontaneously arisen?

dawa chotso lodro garma

Perhaps there can be another one next year, if this one happens and goes well.

Shrine would have central image as Buddha or Vajradhara with Trungpa Rinpoche, the Sakyong and Karmapa XVII as lineage figures. Liturgy for morning and evening chants would be late 80′s / early 90′s vintage.

Politics….no problem, we are Shambhala and Shambhala embraces diversity.

Any other questions….please refer to previous posts.

Karmapa Khyenno!!! Charles

……..I’ve heard the one about the Japanese scientist(JOKE?) but were there any more other takes on what would happen that sounded reasonable……….just thinking that people need to be informed about everything that occured at that time in the 80′s……….even if it sounds absurd.

Still dont know how Trungpa Rinpoche wanted the whole thing to be politically-thats why I am posting on this site to really understand how Trungpa Rinpoche envisaged an enlightened society to be manifest in the world.

………re consutling another lineage holder about how to go forward that sounds interesting…………could it be done democratically……….plus there is still the shambhala teachings………..how would we view them with another lineage holder…………..just musing on things at the moment.

best

rita ashworth

Maybe it is time to have some focused discussion on how the Trungpa wisdom and lineage can continue for us with a recognized lineage holder. There is actually a good amount of information available in many forms; anecdotal, common sense, scholarly, etc. For example, I think HH Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche said there could be five emanation tulkus of Chogyam Trungpa. Trungpa Rinpoche himself, indicated a wide range of possibilities as to how the continuity of the Kagyu dharma might continue. Many of us know a a few somewhat “famous” hints suggested by the Vidyadhara in various talks of his. In my thinking, this exploration would be more than could be accomplished in a web discussion and could potentially be one of the purposes of a retreat / dharma conference.

On a slightly different note, it may be that the Ven. Thrangu Rinpoche, HH Karmapa and perhaps Rabjam Rinpoche, from the nyingma tradition could provide valuable insight if we preparated our thoughts and questions for them properly.

So those are some thoughts for the day…..Charles

On that note, I hope that the Vidyadhara is being well taken care of in his Twelfth Trungpa incarnation. I don’t know much about that, but I heard that somebody recognized such a person.

I remember reading in Born in Tibet about how many political factors were involved in the Eleventh Trungpa’s upbringing. I’m not sure that the world is less dark than it was then. I hope in the “new city” he’s in, he has access to the things he needs.

That’s one Tibetan tradition that doesn’t seem so terrible– the idea that a teacher’s students would help serve the new tulku when he or she was reborn.

Getting back to the original comment, I personally have some sense that rebirth is actually a real thing.

I disagree. Example, when we watch a movie, we
are in essence watching a mind stream. No one would say that the action is taking place. Our lives are the same….a seemingly reel illusion. If that’s true, then there’s no problem with the illusion continuing from life to life due to karmic cause and effect. What’s the difference between going to sleep and waking the next morning, and rebirth? In terms
of experience, only that the continuity seems more
obvious. I heard that The Vidyadhara was once asked, what’s it like for an enlightened tulku to be reborn, and the answer I heard was that it’s like
moving to another city.