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		<title>By: Kevin Lyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to share this link about Depression and a student of Zen.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Health/2000/09/Suffering-Zen.aspx?p=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to share this link about Depression and a student of Zen.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/Health/2000/09/Suffering-Zen.aspx?p=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.beliefnet.com/Health/2000/09/Suffering-Zen.aspx?p=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brigid Meier</title>
		<link>http://radiofreeshambhala.org/2010/05/the-blue-sangha/comment-page-3/#comment-8100</link>
		<dc:creator>Brigid Meier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear David,

A friend just posted the following on Facebook and I immediately thought of you and what possibly seems to be your condition of being an involuntary empath:

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. ~ Krishnamurti

May you find peace in any way you can.  I find Byron Katie&#039;s The Work to be very helpful for on the spot dismantling of thoughts or feelings caused by thoughts.

Love, Brigid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear David,</p>
<p>A friend just posted the following on Facebook and I immediately thought of you and what possibly seems to be your condition of being an involuntary empath:</p>
<p>It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. ~ Krishnamurti</p>
<p>May you find peace in any way you can.  I find Byron Katie&#8217;s The Work to be very helpful for on the spot dismantling of thoughts or feelings caused by thoughts.</p>
<p>Love, Brigid</p>
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		<title>By: John Castlebury</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Castlebury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 23:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.
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Deus Ex Machina

Your so-called hell
Is mind&#039;s creation
What else can it be
It has to come from
Somewhere first

Mind torments us
With scenes of fire
But where else does
The fire come from
But from our mind

Mind turns us into 
A nervous wreck
Scared to be struck
By the blow that
Comes from above

Mind smites itself
In life as a hedge
Bribing the saviour
Of the obsequious
To bestow mercy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<br />
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Deus Ex Machina</p>
<p>Your so-called hell<br />
Is mind&#8217;s creation<br />
What else can it be<br />
It has to come from<br />
Somewhere first</p>
<p>Mind torments us<br />
With scenes of fire<br />
But where else does<br />
The fire come from<br />
But from our mind</p>
<p>Mind turns us into<br />
A nervous wreck<br />
Scared to be struck<br />
By the blow that<br />
Comes from above</p>
<p>Mind smites itself<br />
In life as a hedge<br />
Bribing the saviour<br />
Of the obsequious<br />
To bestow mercy</p>
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		<title>By: David Carey</title>
		<link>http://radiofreeshambhala.org/2010/05/the-blue-sangha/comment-page-3/#comment-8091</link>
		<dc:creator>David Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the point of view of myself, an unenlightened sentient being. Fear is the most powerful force in the universe.  Relative fear, that is to say fear with a know cause, is not so bad. If a bear is chasing you in the woods, you can choose fight or flight. You could even choose to hold still and hope the bear goes away. The bear might be terrifying but in 15 minutes you probably will have escaped or the bear will have killed you. There is some kind of end or resolution to it. When you are trying to escape the bear you will not doubt your own sanity. You may fear  the loss of your life, but that would seem like a pretty sane response to the situation. A much worse kind of fear is the fear of your own mind. You could try to fight the fear but if there is no apparent cause, you are fighting a ghost, fighting empty space, there is no hope to win.  You could try to escape, but how can you escape your own mind? Wherever you go, there you are. Trungpa Rinpoche was so right, many warnings must be given. Better not to begin....ect. Once the path is begun there are only two choices enlightenment or vajra hell. Enlightenment seems like some far away myth to me. Vara hell seems quite real and immediate.At this point I am not sure if I am eternally damned but at the moment I can&#039;t picture a place any worse than where I am. Maybe I am a cautionary tale. I entered the path with arrogance and ambition and now I am paying a horrible price. Don&#039;t be like me. Anyone who isn&#039;t in hell should feel very fortunate and grateful. Be gentle with yourself and not too ambitious.

May all beings be free of suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the point of view of myself, an unenlightened sentient being. Fear is the most powerful force in the universe.  Relative fear, that is to say fear with a know cause, is not so bad. If a bear is chasing you in the woods, you can choose fight or flight. You could even choose to hold still and hope the bear goes away. The bear might be terrifying but in 15 minutes you probably will have escaped or the bear will have killed you. There is some kind of end or resolution to it. When you are trying to escape the bear you will not doubt your own sanity. You may fear  the loss of your life, but that would seem like a pretty sane response to the situation. A much worse kind of fear is the fear of your own mind. You could try to fight the fear but if there is no apparent cause, you are fighting a ghost, fighting empty space, there is no hope to win.  You could try to escape, but how can you escape your own mind? Wherever you go, there you are. Trungpa Rinpoche was so right, many warnings must be given. Better not to begin&#8230;.ect. Once the path is begun there are only two choices enlightenment or vajra hell. Enlightenment seems like some far away myth to me. Vara hell seems quite real and immediate.At this point I am not sure if I am eternally damned but at the moment I can&#8217;t picture a place any worse than where I am. Maybe I am a cautionary tale. I entered the path with arrogance and ambition and now I am paying a horrible price. Don&#8217;t be like me. Anyone who isn&#8217;t in hell should feel very fortunate and grateful. Be gentle with yourself and not too ambitious.</p>
<p>May all beings be free of suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: David Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good teachings John. I can see that discipline is a key point for me. Trungpa Rinpoche named me Discipline Banner. So I think he saw my problem is that area. I have managed to overindulge in just about every way possible. Reading might be helpful because I have become extremely cynical. I have lost my religion so to speak. I tend to think that belief is a disaster. But that is a belief in itself. It&#039;s hard for me to see that sometimes belief is useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good teachings John. I can see that discipline is a key point for me. Trungpa Rinpoche named me Discipline Banner. So I think he saw my problem is that area. I have managed to overindulge in just about every way possible. Reading might be helpful because I have become extremely cynical. I have lost my religion so to speak. I tend to think that belief is a disaster. But that is a belief in itself. It&#8217;s hard for me to see that sometimes belief is useful.</p>
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		<title>By: John Castlebury</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Castlebury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[may i offer this excerpt of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche&#039;s commentary on Sachen Kunga Nyingpo&#039;s Parting from the Four Attachments, Nepal 2009, from Talk One.]

DISCIPLINE IS NOT A BURDEN, SHENPA IS A BURDEN

...
Modern-day people are often faced with a tendency to depression, and this is despite having all the latest conveniences. I have concluded that most of our depression comes from a lack of even mundane discipline, never mind religious discipline. We are free to do whatever we like, yet we don’t even know where to begin or how to proceed. But you may find that even a simple discipline like tidying your room each day between 7:30 and 7:45 actually softens your chronic depression...

Near the end of the Uttaratantra, Lord Maitreya stresses that it is vital to hear and read as much as we can in order to gain access to the spiritual path. And furthermore, if we are serious followers of dharma, merely hearing and reading are not enough; we have to contemplate. And by contemplate I mean we have to determine whether this path is a suitable one, and whether we are able to follow it. We have to ask does this path make logical sense, or is it all just a big misunderstanding. Just because the Buddha supposedly said so, we cannot simply trust that what we hear is the truth. We have to analyse for ourselves if this path of dharma applies to us, and so contemplation is a must.

Suppose we have an hour to practise: the first fifteen minutes, we should listen to or read dharma; for the next fifteen minutes, we should contemplate, since hearing and contemplation deserve equal time; and for the last thirty minutes, we should practise meditation. If you are serious about following the path of dharma, you have to meditate. To hear and contemplate but not meditate is like reading the menu over and over but never ordering; what is the point? You must meditate. And what is meditation? Meditation is remaining completely and one-pointedly with our sure confidence in the dharma, which we gain from hearing and contemplation. More about that later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[may i offer this excerpt of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche's commentary on Sachen Kunga Nyingpo's Parting from the Four Attachments, Nepal 2009, from Talk One.]</p>
<p>DISCIPLINE IS NOT A BURDEN, SHENPA IS A BURDEN</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
Modern-day people are often faced with a tendency to depression, and this is despite having all the latest conveniences. I have concluded that most of our depression comes from a lack of even mundane discipline, never mind religious discipline. We are free to do whatever we like, yet we don’t even know where to begin or how to proceed. But you may find that even a simple discipline like tidying your room each day between 7:30 and 7:45 actually softens your chronic depression&#8230;</p>
<p>Near the end of the Uttaratantra, Lord Maitreya stresses that it is vital to hear and read as much as we can in order to gain access to the spiritual path. And furthermore, if we are serious followers of dharma, merely hearing and reading are not enough; we have to contemplate. And by contemplate I mean we have to determine whether this path is a suitable one, and whether we are able to follow it. We have to ask does this path make logical sense, or is it all just a big misunderstanding. Just because the Buddha supposedly said so, we cannot simply trust that what we hear is the truth. We have to analyse for ourselves if this path of dharma applies to us, and so contemplation is a must.</p>
<p>Suppose we have an hour to practise: the first fifteen minutes, we should listen to or read dharma; for the next fifteen minutes, we should contemplate, since hearing and contemplation deserve equal time; and for the last thirty minutes, we should practise meditation. If you are serious about following the path of dharma, you have to meditate. To hear and contemplate but not meditate is like reading the menu over and over but never ordering; what is the point? You must meditate. And what is meditation? Meditation is remaining completely and one-pointedly with our sure confidence in the dharma, which we gain from hearing and contemplation. More about that later.</p>
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		<title>By: David Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much Damcho. Somehow it helps more than you know to hear your words. I know I am not the only one to go through these sort of feelings and it helps to remember that we are all in this together. May the Buddhas bless you for your generosity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much Damcho. Somehow it helps more than you know to hear your words. I know I am not the only one to go through these sort of feelings and it helps to remember that we are all in this together. May the Buddhas bless you for your generosity.</p>
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		<title>By: damchö</title>
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		<dc:creator>damchö</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 16:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, I know it doesn&#039;t help a whole lot to say this, but I&#039;m really in the same place as you, and have been for many years now.  I could more-or-less have written your words myself.  When I look back at my life I see that sometimes I live in the 3rd circle of hell, other times the 7th, other times the 22nd, other times the 89th...  That&#039;s really it.  I have to go back a long time to remember a point when I was &quot;just&quot; depressed...

(God that sounds horrible, sorry folks.)

And coming back to this thread reminds me that I&#039;d always wanted to thank you for your post of March 31.  That was the beginning of an especially dark period which I am still in.  But your advice there is great.  There are a couple of those I need to follow a lot more than I do--especially number 1 I think...

The only thing I can say is that somewhere in the depths of my experience there is some kind of knowledge of insubstantiality, and also the power of mind.  Even though I can rarely contact that power at this point, and even though fear and grief are so strong and I often simply feel condemned, I know that that feeling just doesn&#039;t make any sense from the standpoint of dharma.

I will definitely send prayers and aspirations out to you.  Recently the death of a beloved dog that I know got me back to sitting a little for the first time in a very long while.  Right before bed.  I am trying to keep it up.  Managed it for a week, then fell off again.  I know it&#039;s good to do, even necessary to do.  And I think it even helped my sleep a little (which is a major disaster area).  Sitting was impossible for the longest time because it has been associated for many years with the experience of humiliation and condemnation, emanating from my time in SI.  Those feelings are still there.  I avoided them for the week I sat solely because my focus was on this beautiful, beautiful dog with such a pure heart, who gave so very much to his human companion.

I too send cool spaciousness to you, in the deep wish that things shift for you very soon.  Become a little softer, enabling you to contact that ground of peace that all the wisest people from every tradition assure us is there.  And I also wish for you some true joy, because we need this too.

All good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, I know it doesn&#8217;t help a whole lot to say this, but I&#8217;m really in the same place as you, and have been for many years now.  I could more-or-less have written your words myself.  When I look back at my life I see that sometimes I live in the 3rd circle of hell, other times the 7th, other times the 22nd, other times the 89th&#8230;  That&#8217;s really it.  I have to go back a long time to remember a point when I was &#8220;just&#8221; depressed&#8230;</p>
<p>(God that sounds horrible, sorry folks.)</p>
<p>And coming back to this thread reminds me that I&#8217;d always wanted to thank you for your post of March 31.  That was the beginning of an especially dark period which I am still in.  But your advice there is great.  There are a couple of those I need to follow a lot more than I do&#8211;especially number 1 I think&#8230;</p>
<p>The only thing I can say is that somewhere in the depths of my experience there is some kind of knowledge of insubstantiality, and also the power of mind.  Even though I can rarely contact that power at this point, and even though fear and grief are so strong and I often simply feel condemned, I know that that feeling just doesn&#8217;t make any sense from the standpoint of dharma.</p>
<p>I will definitely send prayers and aspirations out to you.  Recently the death of a beloved dog that I know got me back to sitting a little for the first time in a very long while.  Right before bed.  I am trying to keep it up.  Managed it for a week, then fell off again.  I know it&#8217;s good to do, even necessary to do.  And I think it even helped my sleep a little (which is a major disaster area).  Sitting was impossible for the longest time because it has been associated for many years with the experience of humiliation and condemnation, emanating from my time in SI.  Those feelings are still there.  I avoided them for the week I sat solely because my focus was on this beautiful, beautiful dog with such a pure heart, who gave so very much to his human companion.</p>
<p>I too send cool spaciousness to you, in the deep wish that things shift for you very soon.  Become a little softer, enabling you to contact that ground of peace that all the wisest people from every tradition assure us is there.  And I also wish for you some true joy, because we need this too.</p>
<p>All good!</p>
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		<title>By: David Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words Suzanne.
I wish I could see the space in my mind. I seem to be stuck in a kind of negative feedback loop where fear feeds on fear, terror feeds on terror. I seem to be insane. I don&#039;t think I am a threat to myself or others because I have zero interest in violence. I am not even depressed, just very absorbed in overwhelming fear. I am writing because it gives me a slight sense of perspective or relief. Thanks to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words Suzanne.<br />
I wish I could see the space in my mind. I seem to be stuck in a kind of negative feedback loop where fear feeds on fear, terror feeds on terror. I seem to be insane. I don&#8217;t think I am a threat to myself or others because I have zero interest in violence. I am not even depressed, just very absorbed in overwhelming fear. I am writing because it gives me a slight sense of perspective or relief. Thanks to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Duarte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Duarte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 13:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, David, I&#039;m so sorry to hear you are suffering this way.  I send you the cool, peaceful, spaciousness of the tonglen outbreath, and hope that you can give this to yourself.  That spaciousness exists beyond thought and concept.  
OM MANI PADME HUM HRIH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, David, I&#8217;m so sorry to hear you are suffering this way.  I send you the cool, peaceful, spaciousness of the tonglen outbreath, and hope that you can give this to yourself.  That spaciousness exists beyond thought and concept.<br />
OM MANI PADME HUM HRIH</p>
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